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April 2, 2007

On the bright side…

Filed under: Aurora, Linkblogging — davidpwelsh @ 9:09 am

At MangaCast, Ed Chavez looks at the imminent arrival of josei-centric manga publisher Aurora and wonders:

“Why? Well, honestly who has been successful with josei. Whether you call it ladies or shoujo or Passion Fruit or whatever this has not hit its audience in the US. Yen Press is going to give it a shot (we will talk about that later) but what makes Aurora unique is that their parent company Ohzora is basically a josei manga publisher.”

At The Beat, Heidi MacDonald shares Chavez’s skepticism on the category’s track record:

“Josei manga is the long-lost ‘missing link’ between ‘Harlequin romance comics’ and ‘Sex in the CIty comics’ for women. Understandably, the genre has had little success in the US, despite entries by such important manga-ka as Erica Sakurazawa and Moyocco Anno.”

I’m a little puzzled by the level of wariness. Nobody’s really made a concerted effort to focus on josei lately. It’s not like there’s a graveyard filled with the corpses of failed initiatives, and given the paucity of josei in print, it’s hard for me to be anything but enthusiastic at the prospect. Tokyopop’s done well with Tramps Like Us, and people greeted Antique Bakery with great enthusiasm (though that probably owed more to Fumi Yoshinaga’s reputation in yaoi).

It’s largely unexplored territory, and I’ve been waiting for someone to really give it a go, so I’m going to side with Dirk Deppey’s somewhat more optimistic appraisal in today’s Journalista entry:

“At this point, readers from those days [when Tokyopop tried unsuccessfully to sell the josei work of Erica Sakurazawa during the period when shôjo was still finding its footing -- dpw] are starting to hit college-age, and might very well provide something resembling a stable market from which to grow over the long term.”

I’d add to that the often-repeated notion that kids, and girls in particular, read upwards of what’s targeted at their age group. I think it’s high time that someone started thinking about what the audience for shôjo might be looking to read next and actually start providing it, instead of ceding readers to other entertainments that might address their interests and attitudes more directly.

Deppey goes on to wonder if a replication of the Cartoon Network Effect might be helpful in heralding josei’s commercial arrival:

“I suspect that you won’t see the sort of stampede effect that other manga demographics have experienced until a good anime geared toward adult women shows up on afternoon/evening television and pushes readers toward an equally good manga series — Ai Yazawa’s Nana, Chika Umino’s Honey and Clover and Moyoco Anno’s Hataraki Man would each fit the bill nicely — but we shall see.”

It certainly couldn’t hurt. I don’t expect Oxygen or WE or Lifetime to announce a programming block any time soon, but stranger things have happened.

18 Comments »

  1. I must have missed something — what makes Antique Bakery josei?

    Don’t forget that Sakurazawa’s line ended in the middle of a story, too — very disappointing.

    Comment by Johanna — April 2, 2007 @ 11:42 am

  2. Gonna toss this into the thread, though it’ll likely be ignored because, it’s me tossing, but here goes:

    Shinshikan’s Wings Comics is a Josei line, and Antique Bakery was serialized in it. Ergo, Josei - not Yaoi.

    ^^
    Peace

    Comment by gynocrat — April 2, 2007 @ 12:50 pm

  3. That’s what I thought, but I couldn’t remember the actual publisher/magazine. Thanks, Tina!

    DMP published in their “regular” line, right? I don’t remember it being part of the Juné imprint, but I don’t have the books handy at the moment.

    Comment by davidpwelsh — April 2, 2007 @ 12:57 pm

  4. I think it was a DMP release…but I bet you a donut, that later volumes might also have that June rose on them! ^_-

    Comment by gynocrat — April 2, 2007 @ 1:27 pm

  5. I noticed that DMP has started to run little cover scans of AB in their Previews ads for other stuff by Yoshinaga, though my eyes are too old and weak to tell if they’ve been flowered.

    Comment by davidpwelsh — April 2, 2007 @ 1:39 pm

  6. Nah all the vols of the Antique are DMP… However stores like Kinokuniya and some comic shops rack these in the adult section.

    David, a question? Has Tramps been doing well? My access to sales figures is inconsistent at best so I don’t really know but I having discussed ladies manga with a few people over the last two weeks I haven’t heard anyone make a case for Tramps as an example of a successful ladies title.

    That said if CPM starts releasing manga again, specifically the 3 or 4 ladies titles that they licensed last year this could be the year josei finally lands and stays for good.

    Comment by ed — April 2, 2007 @ 1:53 pm

  7. Ed - Tramps is doing well in the Direct Market at least. Looking through ICv2’s GN numbers, it’s been showing up in the top 100 lists for a while now. As far as the wider market goes, I’m not entirely sure, and it’s probably not smart of me to think that good sales in one equate to success in the other. But, heck, I’m intellectually lazy, so I’ll guess that there’s probably some carry-over.

    Comment by davidpwelsh — April 2, 2007 @ 2:06 pm

  8. I remember getting the impression that DMP was biting their tongues to stop themselves from yelling “Antique Bakery is not YAOI!” nothing firm, just a reading-between-the-lines on some statements that left me the impression that they were frustrated with the confusion (even though that confusion probably helped sales).

    Though I also read somewhere that when Antique Bakery was published, the magazine was “in transition” though I have no what was the other genre in the transition and what direction it happened.

    Comment by Lyle — April 2, 2007 @ 3:18 pm

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  10. I appreciate the information, and I know that that’s how things are defined, but it never sits right for me to determine what genre something is based on where it was published instead of internal characteristics. Probably because I keep thinking that that would make Sandman a superhero comic because DC put it out.

    Comment by Johanna — April 2, 2007 @ 4:58 pm

  11. I know that that’s how things are defined, but it never sits right for me to determine what genre something is based on where it was published instead of internal characteristics

    Can’t argue with you there, but in Japan, unfortunately, it’s all about putting series’ in neat little boxes. *yuk*

    Comment by gynocrat — April 2, 2007 @ 5:38 pm

  12. (I)t’s all about putting series’ in neat little boxes.

    Yoshinaga must make the people doing the sorting kind of crazy, then. I think I like her even more.

    Comment by davidpwelsh — April 2, 2007 @ 6:08 pm

  13. Lyle… If there was a transition it came from Shinshokan adding a new mag to their line-up. But I still think Dear+ (Shinshokan’s BL mag) was around (was Antique going to be moved from Wings to that or was it going to what at the time was a newer seasonal magazine??)

    Comment by Ed — April 2, 2007 @ 9:17 pm

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  15. Wasn’t Princess Ai published in Wings recently?

    Comment by Andre — April 3, 2007 @ 8:45 am

  16. So it would seem, Andre.

    Comment by davidpwelsh — April 3, 2007 @ 9:12 am

  17. Just to chime in — I am also puzzled by the predictions of doom for the josei line(s). You’ve already said quite nicely why that isn’t as true — especially as shojo readers grow up, and much like the comics readers of the 60s, they’re not going to give up reading comics, they just going to want them for their own age/gender.

    I also don’t really remember anyone pushing Tramps Like Us or the other josei titles terribly much, unlike all of the other titles. It’s hard to see them in the sea of shonen and shojo manga.

    On the AB front, I do actually think it’s correctly identified as josei, and it isn’t yaoi. Yaoi is all about fantasy and romance, genrally, and AB is not focused on either of those things. When I was researching it for my own book, it was made very clear to me, and from what I understand directly from the creator, that it was not yaoi. Obviously, it appeals to yaoi readers, but I completely agree that it’s not what most folks recognize as yaoi, nor does it satisfy the same reading urge.

    Comment by RobinB — April 5, 2007 @ 6:35 pm

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