Saturday links

Chris Butcher takes another multifaceted look at yaoi, which is just marvelous in general. I’m particularly fond of the bottom line, which Chris appropriately uses to look at the bottom line:

“The queers are coming. First one to cater their gay porn to the gay community goes home with the money. :)”

I’m going to have to keep my eye on The Hating Blog. Anyone who launches their manga content with a glowing, well-written review of Love Roma is someone worth watching.

John Jakala… I don’t even know where to start, but he used my blather from yesterday as a launch pad for something completely brilliant: the Comic Publisher Personality Quiz.

11 Responses to Saturday links

  1. T Anderson says:

    Why would a woman want to write a manga for gay men? For that matter, why would you want the gay market? They’ve done a scary-awesome job with Gay comics so far, pushing it into the mainstream…but honestly, I’ll keep my wallet closed and the changepurse at the Wal-Mart with the pricetag still on it. 0_0.

  2. David Welsh says:

    Why would any manga creator want to limit their audience?

  3. T Anderson says:

    A manga creator that writes for a what is all ready a specific audience. There’s no need to have your hand in every pie.

  4. Brigid says:

    Actually, I think the question is why shouldn’t gay men read yaoi? The author may have one audience in mind, but that doesn’t mean a different audience can’t enjoy it as well.

  5. T Anderson says:

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  6. T Anderson says:

    ^_^ Sorry, I had to repost because I quote Ann, and quite frankly, I think you can read her entry at 212 for yourself.

    I think Ann Cain commented perfectly over at 212, as a creator, but I just think all this bickering over ‘feeling slighted’ is so overdoing it and proves conclusively the issues are certainly more western than eastern, where Gay male manga fans in Japan could honestly give a crap about BL.

    My editor at Dramaqueen is not amused at this point, because 212 seems to painting ‘Brother’ out to have some scary Gay-appeal, and so suddenly publishers should be expected to market less specifically when targeting the gender-base.

    There was BL aimed at men in Japan, it was a teeny-tiny experiment called Kinniku Otoko and it didn’t make a dime, because they kept trying to market it to women. Many anthys sprung out of it and are doing ‘ok’ because they’re being marketed properly. So Brigid, no one is saying that there aren’t gay male yaoi fans, and no one is saying that there shouldn’t be a publisher for those fans–just don’t expect it to be a traditional publisher that’s making their profits off fangirls.

    -Tina

  7. David Welsh says:

    So the cultural context of where the comics are being discussed is irrelevant?

  8. T Anderson says:

    No is discussing cultural anything. All I see is a reaction being displayed about a mangaka trying to explain her motivation. At AMLA it was just pointed out to me her explanation about motivation is important:

    “This was replying in the context that he was saying that yaoi and gay
    comics are the same. When I’m drawing two guys together, I’m just
    drawing two guys together. I’m not thinking of gay identities. My
    project is female-centered on the male body, not the GAY male body.
    There’s a different motivation.”

    I tend to agree with Kodaka on her assessment, and disagree that the post at 212 is anything remotely multifaceted.

    -Tina

  9. T Anderson says:

    Just a clarifier:

    The comment at AMLA came from an AMLA member, not Kodaka herself.

    -Tina

  10. David Welsh says:

    “No is discussing cultural anything.”

    Then we’re giving it very different readings, because it seems to me that cultural context is at the heart of it all. Do the perceptions of an apparently compartmentalized fan culture in Japan make the trip with the work, and is there value in the perceptions of readers outside of the target audience?

  11. T Anderson says:

    Sorry for the late reply. This was brought up at AMLA as well:

    Discussion at AMLA:
    ****Worse, these people are, by their own admission, attempting to redefine a cultural artifact they don’t understand into local terms/concepts that they *do* grasp. In the process they basically have decided to entirely ignore the customs and mores used within that community, and strip the artifact of
    its context so they can use it for their own purposes. Pretty silly of them to bitch about cultural appropriation when that’s exactly what *they’re* doing, isn’t it?****

    She followed that up with this message for me: “Seriously — this guy’s argument is stupid; he’s not worth your energy, time, or concern.”

    I’m inclined to agree Dave. LOL! I think I’ve discussed this issue with all the people I need to and so I won’t be commenting again ^^, if you wish to contact me though, you know where I am.

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